Functional Fitness for a Stronger You with Ricardo Mullinax! Ep119

Richard Conner: [00:00:00] Hi, my friend, welcome to part two of the three part series. As I sit down with the new underdog fitness coaches, today’s topic will resonate with many of you as it did with me, as we talk about fitness over 40 resilience and ways for you to restart your fitness journey in a way that fits your lifestyle and schedule. Hope you enjoy.

Intro/Outro: Welcome to inspire to run podcast. Here, you will find inspiration, whether you’re looking to take control of your health and fitness, or you are a seasoned runner looking for community and some extra motivation, you will hear inspiring stories from amazing runners, along with helpful tips from fitness experts.

Now, here’s your host, Richard Conner.

Richard Conner: Hi, my friend, welcome to inspire to run podcast. I have the pleasure of sitting down today with Ricardo Mullinax, who is a father of four, and he enjoys coaching clients to do their best in all areas of life, especially in hybrid sports, such as Spartan DEKA. [00:01:00] He has coached several athletes to the podium at world championships and many more who qualified and participated.

Coach Ricardo is the co host of the podcast, Ricardo’s Rules of Resilience, and enjoys talking to groups about what it takes to recover from difficulties. Uh, welcome to the show, Coach Ricardo.

Ricardo Mullinax: Thank you very much. It’s a pleasure to be here.

Richard Conner: Well, it’s a pleasure to have you here. And, you know, I’m really excited to talk about your incredible journey, which I heard just a little bit about. So I’m excited to hear from you and also share it with our listeners and also talk about rules of resilience and the work that you’re doing with underdog fitness, and this is part two of our series, and we’re talking to the new underdog coaches.

So excited to hear about the work that you’re doing. Doing there. So, you know, let’s kind of just jump into the conversation and hear, you know, just a little bit about your fitness journey and some of the things that you’ve been through throughout your career.

Ricardo Mullinax: Well, the first part of my fitness journey is rather unremarkable. I was, you know, an athlete in high school. I did [00:02:00] play one year of college football. , I did stay active, uh, in my twenties coaching wrestling and I got into some running. , But, uh, I had some things happen that really slowed me down. Uh, I have two steel rods in my back that are about a foot long.

So, uh, for medical people, I am, uh, I have a nine level spinal fusion. If you ever heard anybody talk about having a, a disc fused, I have nine of them fused. Uh, from thoracic five, T5, all the way to the second lumbar, L2. , and, uh, The surgery is really great. I’m very, very thankful for it. Uh, it was correcting what’s called Schurman’s kyphosis.

Uh, very thankful for it. But, uh, you know, when you have nine, uh, joints in your body that are supposed to be articulating and moving and they’re not moving, then the joints above and below have to start making up. for that. And so, , below those in my lumbar spine started to really get [00:03:00] worn out and a lot of arthritis to the point when I think it was 31 or 32.

The doctor looking at it said, just looking at this, I would say you have the spine of a 70 year old man. , That and also I just got overwhelmed with life when my first son was born, I was about 29 and I was living in the north side of Chicago, working on the west side. My son was born. His mother was going through, you know, the difficulties that come postpartum.

And I just got overwhelmed with life. I put on a bunch of weight, , you know, at 30, which a lot of us do, you know, former athletes who are, we’re used to eating so many calories and that wasn’t burning them off anymore and, , put on a bunch of weight and I, I’d get some off here and there, but for the next decade, I stayed obese, uh, until.

I was turning 40 and, uh, I met somebody who said, I’m going to help you. And so he helped me and he’d grade my [00:04:00] food journal and he gave me functional fitness, , you know, uh, growing up in the eighties and nineties, like I did. It was, you know, all about pumping iron and running. That’s pretty much what we did.

Well, Discovered functional fitness and ropes and kettlebells and different movements, you know, working your body through ranges of motion rather than isolating it. And, , just loved it. Fell in love with it. , changed my fitness journey tremendously. Uh, and through a, a whole series of events that I, I, , you know, it’s not the subject of this podcast, but a few years later I ended up opening, uh, up a, a gym, it was a functional fitness gym.

And I did that for about four and a half years. And during the course of owning that gym is when I discovered, uh, Hybrid racing, uh, hybrid, uh, you know, meaning that you, you may have running and you’ve got functional fitness and DEKA, , DEKA just fired me up again. Uh, because even with my joint issues, [00:05:00] I could participate.

, there’s three different kinds of DEKA. One of them has no running. And, , that was, yes. Okay. I, you know, cause I’m not a great runner as you can imagine running with, uh, steel rods in your back. , I compare my running to a dog walking on his hind legs. Uh, you know, it’s awkward, kind of hard to look at.

, it’s not done well, but then again, you’re just surprised it’s done at all. So, uh, but you know, I could, I could do these, , uh, do these hybrid events and just started loving it and saw what it was doing for people in my gym, people, you know, athletes, you know, of any age, , of any fitness level and fell in love with it and just really got into it to the point now that I, I actually go around to gyms and put on DEKA roadshow events at those gyms so that they can experience it and fall in love with it as well.

Richard Conner: That’s really incredible. And, you know, I’m thinking about your [00:06:00] personal journey with your family and then your medical journey and the surgery to, to be able to do what you’re doing today is absolutely incredible. And I, you know, I’d love to talk to you a little bit more about. You know, kind of going through that process and the pillars that we talk about on the show is mindset, movement, and motivation.

So at the time after the surgery, and then you had, you mentioned that you put on some weight. How did you get into that mindset of, Hey, I want to make a change. And I want to kind of do something different here. Like, was the catalyst your friend? Or was there something else that kind of triggered to say, you know, now’s the time.

Ricardo Mullinax: You know, I had been miserable by the time I got to the place where I could take, where I could take the weight off. I had had it on me for a decade. And so from 30 to 40, I was turning 40 and you know, I do what most of us do. I get the weight down, down, and then. Pop it back up and you know, and I was, I was just about a month or so, maybe two from my [00:07:00] 40th birthday.

And, uh, I, a friend of mine wanted me to take his son surfing and, um, we, we went serving, he sent me pictures and I remember that night I’m sitting on the couch and recliner looking at these and just disgusted and, and hopeless because been a DEKAde of me trying to get this off and just was not successful.

And so, you know, just that discouragement. Um, to the point of, I want to give up, you know, I, I, I hate seeing myself in pictures. I’m always hiding behind my kids and photos. You know, I gotta make sure that I get the right size shirt that fits the right way. So, it doesn’t look, you know, the hides my belly and, you know, all the aches and pains, the lethargy, everything that goes uh with with having too high of a body fat percentage, you know.

Um so, I was ready. You could say I was desperate for it. I just really, really wanted life to be better. And so [00:08:00] when I had someone who said they would help me, let me tell you, I grabbed a hold of that like a drowning man grabs a hold of a lifeline. I said, this is my ticket out of this, and I just would not let go.

Richard Conner: Well, great that you did that and congratulations again. And it sounds like functional fitness was right for you. And, you know, I’m wondering for someone who’s in a similar situation, they may be put on weight or maybe they feel a little hopeless and they’ve tried different things that haven’t worked.

What is it about functional fitness that you think really kind of helped you kind of get to where you are today?

Ricardo Mullinax: Well, for one thing, when you, when you’ve got a career and you’ve got kids and you’re trying to do well at both of those, there’s not a whole heck of a lot of time left. So, uh, you know, instead of, you know, four sets of 10 and you’re walking around for your 60 seconds or 90 seconds or in between or whatever, you know, [00:09:00] 45, 50, 60 minutes of functional fitness.

You know, three, four times in a week, you’re revving that metabolism up super high, you know, especially when you’re doing the high intensity interval training model, , you’re revving that metabolism up, you’re doing a whole lot of stimulation of muscle growth and, , You’re just going to see tremendous results for that, for the time invested.

So, you know, I just made it my goal that every week I was going to get three of those no matter what. And, and sometimes it was Friday, Saturday, Sunday, you know, sometimes life just got away from me and my three were Fridays, but I’m going to get them. And, you know, there was a handful of time over. Maybe six years where I only got two, but then I’d make up for it by getting four the next week, you know, cause I just was not gonna let this go.

So functional fitness also, you know, I mean, traditional weightlifting, it, you know, it requires a lot of equipment. , you know, and functional fitness, man. I mean, I’ve used, [00:10:00] you know, five gallon water jugs, you know, I’ve used rocks, pieces of wood, you know, and because you’re taking your body through a range of motion integrated.

movements rather than isolated movements. You’re working more of the body at once. So it’s tremendously time efficient. It’s tremendously equipment, efficient, cost effective in those ways. And so, , you know, for when you’re thirties, forties, fifties, and, and you got a whole lot of life going on, you still got to take care of yourself, but you just don’t have two hours to spend at the gym, three, four, five nights a week, , you know, that functional fitness can do a whole lot for you.

Richard Conner: Yeah. And I love what you said there, especially about the time part. So, you know, I’ve been thinking about this lately where I’m now training for a marathon and even before I was training for a marathon, I’ve high mileage a week. And you know, just these last couple of weeks, I really kind of crunched my running days kind of into that Friday, Saturday, Sunday, as you mentioned, you know, [00:11:00] last week was probably Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, but.

You know, just not enough time. So it’s really interesting that you mentioned that cause I’ve been kind of dealing with that for a while now. So that’s great to know that functional fitness is a good solution for, you know, someone who is in my situation, just trying to combine, you know, different sports and training for different things, but someone who just generally doesn’t have a lot of time.

Or equipment, as you mentioned, this is a, a nice option for them.

Ricardo Mullinax: know, and speaking of that, um, that blood flow restriction is another tremendous advantage. Uh, it has amazing advantages. Physical therapists have been using blood flow restriction for years. , You know, another reason for is you can accomplish a whole lot and get your body into that good anaerobic conditioning and stimulate the human growth hormone release.

, and do it in very time effective ways. I’m gonna I I used to be three sciences bands. Uh, you know, I just love how that product is made in the different chambers. [00:12:00] But that blood flow resistance training has that same advantage of getting you really good results while also cutting down on the amount of time.

Richard Conner: So, you know, let’s switch gears a little bit, but kind of on the same topic. So you mentioned, you know, a little bit about kind of the age where you really started to kind of transition into this form of workout and exercise and fitness. And I know that’s a little bit of your focus, right. As, as a coach.

So let’s talk about that. I, you know, I want to say, and correct me if I’m wrong, you’re really focusing on folks that are. Maybe 40 plus in terms of fitness and those that you work with. So, so tell me a little bit about that. Like. For someone who’s 40 plus, just talk a little bit about, you know, what are the needs of those folks and what is it that you offer again, kind of around those pillars around mindset, movement, and motivation.

Ricardo Mullinax: Well, I do a whole lot with mindset for people of any age, you know, that’s the Ricardo’s rules of resilience podcast that you mentioned. , we talk a [00:13:00] lot about mindset, which is pretty universal. , But you know, again, time effectiveness is a big need. Like I mentioned, you’re in that time of life where everything has serious demands on you.

You’re, you’re Pretty much at the zenith of your career in terms of the amount of demand on you. , you’re also at a very demanding time, usually in terms of child rearing and, you know, kids and sports and everything that many people have to try to balance. , so time effectiveness is, is a big one for people over 40.

, also for people over 40, , We usually fall into one of two camps. , either, , my clients have been athletes their whole lives and are hard charging, go getters. They’ve never let off the gas once, or they like me lost their way for a long time and are trying to come back. And in both cases, they have this in common.

They feel like there’s no time to waste. We got to pedal to the [00:14:00] metal. It’s 90 miles an hour. I can’t let up. , and in both cases, we have to, to learn that less is more and to trust the process. And, uh, you know, zone two training is big and getting them to see and understand the benefits of the zone two training and understanding, no, if I gave you a 60 minute workout, it’s not good for you to finish that and then go for another five mile run.

, you know, you know, we’ve, we’ve brought this through. This is on purpose and, uh, you know, less is more and more is not always better. So those are, um, some of the things that people over 40 face, um, as well as, you know, not.

not giving up when they, you know, it’s either put the pedal to the metal. I’m never too sore. You can’t stop me now. Or it’s, you know, Oh, I think I’m gonna fall apart. You know, I better, [00:15:00] you know, and get a, you know, we get an injury or we get something that happens and think, Oh, well, I better just shut everything down because, you know, I can’t I can’t go have a surgery or whatever.

And so, okay, no, we, we do need to stop using this. And we do need to focus the shift, the focus a little bit, but we don’t need to quit and we don’t need to just go back to the couch, you know?

Richard Conner: Yeah, for sure. For sure. And, you know, I’m thinking back to the two, you know, two main types of clients that you work with. I’m definitely falling in that second camp where, you know, semi athlete in high school, and then I went to college and started a family and work full time just didn’t. Prioritize fitness and exercise until just a few years ago, almost 10 years ago.

And then in earnest, you know, back in, I would say 2018 when I ran my first Spartan race and that really kind of sparked kind of where I am today. So, so I definitely fall into that second [00:16:00] camp and, you know, we’ll see kind of where we’re life and fitness and races take me, but, uh, I could definitely relate to, to what you said there.

And, you know, I’m so curious about. The rules of resilience and, you know, it’s just asking me before we started recording, is this more of a philosophy or do you have like specific rules? And maybe you’ve already touched on them already, but if you could share just a couple of those rules, ,

Ricardo Mullinax: Oh yeah, there are. Yeah. I have the seven rules of resilience. Uh, we won’t go through all of them, but, uh, where they stem from was that over and over again, in my years of, of owning the gym, I saw that there were common pitfalls. I kept having the same talk over and over, you know, different areas, like, okay.

And I, I developed, you know, what I hoped would be memorable saying so they could keep it in their mind. Um, there’s one time I was asked to give. I talked to my mastermind group of other fitness professionals, and, uh, so I [00:17:00] actually, that’s when I first formulated them into the seven rules, you know, before that, that just kind of been a go to list in my head of things that I say to my clients all the time and formulated those and really began to.

Use those frequently, put them on shirts, whatever. And, and eventually it became the podcast of let’s talk about resilience. Um, so resilience, uh, is defined in the dictionary as the ability to withstand and recover from difficulty. So two aspects there withstand, And recover from. So sometimes bad things are happening.

Life’s kicking us in the teeth and we just got to get through that’s resilience. Sometimes life, not just not only kicks us in the teeth, it kicks us down on the ground and keeps kicking for a little bit. And we got to find a way to get back up. That’s. recover from difficulties. , so the first one is that something’s better than [00:18:00] nothing.

Okay, something’s better than nothing. What gets us in trouble so often, , whether it’s because work was too demanding or, you know, I had to have this and this happen at work and then I had to run to my kid’s game and, you know, or whatever. And we feel like, oh, well, I can’t get in my full workout. I’m going to just skip.

No, no, don’t do it. Don’t do it. Something’s better than nothing. And, , you know, people would tell me, oh, well, you know, I was running late and I knew I was only going to get half the workout. So I decided not to come and I’d tell them, look, I’m no mathematician, but you know, I’m pretty sure 30 minutes of a workout’s at least 3000 percent better than zero.

So get in here. Something’s better than nothing. , so get it here. Let’s get it done. Uh, you know, so we have to realize that we can set ourselves up for failure and set [00:19:00] ourselves backwards when, when we’re, you know, we’re not willing to just accept that not, not every day is going to be perfect, which is another rule of resistance, a resilience, and that is that the perfect is the enemy of the good. The perfect is the enemy. of the good. I had a lady one time in the weigh in room and we were talking about did she do her food journal because you know whenever someone would come into the weigh in room and they were mad about being up now somebody came up and their weight was up for their weekly weigh in and they weren’t surprised about it.

I’m not saying this applied but if somebody came in and they got on that scale and they were mad because their weight was up and they didn’t lose then I can guarantee what was about to happen. I’m about to ask. Where’s your food journal? And they’re about to say, I didn’t do it. Right? That’s what’s gonna happen every time.

I’m not psychic. I just know this is what about to happen, right? And uh, and the lady said, I didn’t do it. And why not? [00:20:00] Well, it takes too long. And well, wait, wait, wait, wait. What’s a perfect food journal? A perfect food journal is one that takes one minute or less per meal. You know, I just want you and she’s like, well, no, I, I got, you know, like I, they don’t even have my foods in there.

I went to put artisan bread and it didn’t have artisan bread. So I pull out my phone and I open up the type in artisan bread and there’s, you know, I don’t know, six, eight, 12 of them that pop up. So, well, that’s not my brand. Oh my goodness. So I, so you didn’t food journal because they didn’t have your brand of artisan bread.

The perfect just killed the good. It would have been good for you to food journal and pick any brand of artisan bread, but because you didn’t hit the perfect, it killed the good. And that’s why you’re in here. And you’re mad because your weight is up this week and that happens to us all the time, you know, [00:21:00] well, I just didn’t have a great workout.

I was just sore and tired from yesterday. And, and we start pooping, right. And, and we’re mad because it wasn’t perfect instead of celebrating the fact that it was good, which is another rule of resilience. Those who don’t celebrate their wins, we’ll stop having them. You keep getting done with the workout and saying, Oh, well, it wasn’t my best.

Guess what? One of these days, you’re going to start to go to a workout and you’re not gonna be able to talk yourself into it because you’ve been beating yourself up for so long and instead of celebrating, I got a workout in. Beating yourself up that you, you know, you didn’t win the Olympics that day.

Like you, your, your, your soul can only take so much negative self talk, right? And if you keep not celebrating those wins and focusing on what’s wrong, instead of on what’s right, you’re going to talk yourself out of doing anything, right? So when we get a win. [00:22:00] I don’t want to hear about what was wrong with it.

I want to hear about what was right with it, you know? Uh, so those are just some of the rules of resilience. I won’t talk to the rest of the day. I have a whole podcast on it. So obviously I could talk a long time about the rules of resilience, but those are some examples.

Richard Conner: No, no, I love that. I love that. And I feel like these are, you know, also life lessons, right? They could apply not only to fitness, but other areas of your life. So this is so practical and I appreciate you sharing that. So let’s, let’s talk a little bit about kind of the work that you’re doing with underdog fitness.

Um, so you’re a new coach with coach Kevin and, and you’re working through the underdog training system. And so I love that. And this is, like I said, part two of the series. So let’s talk a little bit about that. You know, what made you decide to join coach Kevin and become a coach? And then again, who are you?

Who’s kind of your ideal client or who are you focusing on in terms of, um, athletes and

Ricardo Mullinax: So, , I, I got a roll [00:23:00] down. It might, I don’t know if it was in a second roll down or what, but I got two roll down invitations for DEKA world championship in 2022. Uh, one of them was for the fit and the other one was for the strong.

And, , you know, I was like, Oh man, I’m up. I’m going to invite a world championship. I don’t care that, you know, I mean, at that time, it was the top 12 and I’m like 26 or something, but I got the invite. I’m I’m going to go try it. I don’t care if I’m the little engine that could in the back of the pack, you know, I’m going to do this, you know.

So, I went to that 2022 World Championship in Atlantic City. Two of my daughter, my my older daughter got it. Two world championships. She got the strong and the fit as a world championship in the 14, 17 age group and got second in the mile. , I’m actually, I think I have that backward. I think it was second in the strong and first in the mile.

, my younger daughter in the 10 to 13 age group [00:24:00] got second in the world. And, , some of our other clients, uh, did pretty well. And I just, I was standing there watching people, my age up on that podium. And I’m like, why not me, you know, why can’t I do that, you know, particularly the strong, because like I said, I know I’m not a fast runner, but I’ll have to run to do the strong, you know, so I’m like, why not me?

And, uh, that was, uh, right before Thanksgiving and right around the first of the year, I took it in my head. I said, man, I am going, I’m going to try to win a world championship. I’m just going to try it. I’ve, I’ve seen other things that I wanted to do and went and done them before. I want to, I just want to try this, you know, and so I set that to my mind.

And, , I, I managed to connect with the, , the world record holder world, uh, champion at that time. His name is Ryan Kent and he coached me a lot. In [00:25:00] 2023, Ryan’s tremendous guy taught me so much, took so much off of my time, uh, in terms of reducing my performance time, learned a lot from a very thankful for him.

, and as, , but through that year of 2023. As we went to different events, my kids kept connecting with Kevin, uh, even in Atlantic City. My kids had, uh, roughed him and, and, and my son’s like, you know that guy, uh, he’s really funny. He, he has this clown voice and they call him bubbles and , you know. So, uh, they were connecting.

And unbeknownst to me, Kevin’s wife, Jess and I, we connected through because someone else there actually a deck of staff. Uh, was having a, a, a very difficult circumstance that happened to him with a volunteer and a false accusation and everything. And, uh, Jess and I were there, uh, becoming friends as we were helping, uh, Mark a little bit through that situation.

I had no idea she was related. [00:26:00] To Kevin. And then, uh, again, through all of 2023, my, you know, my daughter, my older daughter races against Kevin. I think at Knoxville and also in, uh, North Carolina, Charlotte and, , and then in Dallas last year, uh, Kevin and I are helping set up for worlds and we just start chatting.

And talking a little bit and, uh, I’m getting to know him and I’m definitely interested in everything he’s doing and, uh, and afterwards, after the three day competition is over, and of course, during that time, he won like five world championships or something, but we end up going to the same. Restaurant barbecue restaurant and seeing each other there, uh, and, uh, talk a little bit and I’m like, Hey, you know, that program you mentioned, I would be interested in just trying it just to see, you know, what the differences are.

I mean, you can learn from more than one. master, you know, [00:27:00] different strokes. And, uh, so I ended up, uh, trying it out and, and just have, have really benefited from the underdog training system. Uh, it’s helped me lower my time more and, uh, by the grace of God and through some good coaching, I am, I am blessed to say, I’m, I’m thankful and grateful to say that I did finish the regular season, uh, on the top of my age group in the deck of strong.

And so obviously it’s working. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, so it’s working for me. I’ve learned so much from it and because I had sold my gym this year, I, you know, I’d coached my own clients to, to several podiums, uh, finishes at the world and done a lot of good stuff there. But, uh, you know, having sold my gym.

I was available and Kevin asked me if I could come under the underdog system and very natural thing for me. I mean, I love the system. I love what it does. And so for me to get to [00:28:00] work with some underdog clients is great.

Richard Conner: That’s incredible. It’s almost like the universe has kind of brought you two together and that’s wonderful that you’re here now to help and support, you know, athletes and, you know, I’m really excited to see. The work that you do. So congratulations on, you know, getting to podium. Congratulations on, you know, where you are in world championships and as well as joining the underdog team.

Ricardo Mullinax: Well, I haven’t podium yet. The the championship’s coming up in December. So, you know, uh, I’m training hard. I don’t take it for granted at all. You know, we’ll just have to wait and see what happens on that day, right? It’s it’s who’s the best that day. So you gotta

Richard Conner: well, I’m speaking into existence

Ricardo Mullinax: All right. Well, thank you.

Thank you.

Richard Conner: Uh, so, you know, kind of as we wind down here, so, you know, I love everything that you shared in terms of your journey. Uh, just incredible doing the work that you’re doing, considering, you know, that the journey that you’ve been on and how you’re helping others. And [00:29:00] I love the rules of resilience. So I definitely have to check out all seven with your podcast.

So, you know, just as we wind down here, what is the one thing in your journey that you’re most proud of?

Ricardo Mullinax: Oh, most proud of.

I like to talk about what I’m grateful for because pride goes before a fall. So I would say. Um, that I am most grateful for the fact that I have got to do so much of this with my four kids. Uh, we have had just tremendous times together attending the world championship or refereeing together the events we’ve done at local gyms and, uh, coaching, coaching each other through, uh, and being there and having, you know, each other around when we get these.

And so the fact that. My kids and I have gotten to connect at these events and, uh, you know, I’ve gotten to model [00:30:00] for them the importance of living a healthy lifestyle and discipline and all the good things that sports teach us. I am. I’m so grateful for that. That it’s not a solo journey of dad does something when it comes home, but it’s, it’s us, we’re in this together.

Richard Conner: I love it. I love it. Coach Ricardo. Thank you so much for spending time with me today. Really appreciate it. I’d love to end with how can our listeners find you, follow you online, as well as sign up with you as their coach.

Ricardo Mullinax: Yeah, great. Uh, so if you’d like more talk on resilience, it’s Ricardo’s rules of resilience podcast. Uh, if you’d like me to come talk to your group or team or business about resilience, uh, get ahold of me. through social media, coach dot Ricardo on Instagram or Ricardo Mullinax on Facebook. And if you reach out to me those ways, we can also talk about getting into the underdog training system and [00:31:00] joining the tremendous team that Kevin has put together and see what we can do for you to be your very best.

Richard Conner: Sounds good. So as usual, I’ll put that information in the show notes to make it easy for listeners to find you. Coach Ricardo. Thanks again. Thanks for coming on the show. Good luck for the rest of this year and have a great rest of the weekend.

Ricardo Mullinax: Thank you so much. It’s been a pleasure.

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