Finish Lines not Finish Times with David Hampson! Episode 004

Richard Conner 0:01

Here’s what you can look forward to on this episode of Inspire Virtual Runs Podcast.

David Hampson 0:06

You know, we tried to promote the kind of kind of like the Run Happy, the Run Happy mentality, you know, running is good. You know, you always have that runner’s high. You know, if you have a good day, celebrate with a run you having a bad day, make it better with a run. You know, doesn’t matter how slow how short the run is, you know, you still gonna get that runner’s high at the end.

Intro/Outro 0:29

Welcome to Inspire Virtual Runs podcast. Whether you are new to running or seasoned, get tips in the inspiration that you need to achieve your health and fitness goals. Now, here’s your host, Richard Conner.

Richard Conner 0:47

Hi, everyone. Welcome to Inspire Virtual Runs Podcast. I am here with today’s guest, David Hampson. David is a runner from Manchester, England, and now resides in Toronto, Canada. He has been a runner since 2017. And his favorite distance is the 10K. He represents Brooks Canada as part of their Run Happy team, as well as supports mental health initiatives such as Outrun the Dark. David also writes about his own experiences through Runner’s Life publication on medium. And as a guest blog contributor for Inspire Virtual Runs. Welcome to the show, David.

David Hampson 1:26

Thank you very much. Thanks for having me. Richard Conner 1:30

So, David, first, thank you for coming on the show. And also being one of the Inspire Virtual Runs guest blog contributors. You know, when I first started reading your running articles, I really appreciated the genuineness and authenticity of your work. With the extensive list of topics that you’ve written about, you know, it kind of feels like you’ve been running for many years, but it’s only been a few. So how did you get started in running?

David Hampson 1:55

I think that kind of had a bit of a love/hate, on/off relationship with running pretty much my entire life. My dad bought me my first pair of running shoes when I was ten, growing up, he was a runner. He competed in numerous local races. And I think being kind of like my hero growing up, I always had a healthy competition with him.

In all sports, and running was one of them. And so it started off like that. I think after high school, it kind of died down and I started picking up playing other sports. I grew up playing basketball, playing football, or instead of becoming a hobby, it became more of a something I tried to do the health and fitness. So I kind of had one of my best friends was getting married. And yes, interviews this man. So I thought, Oh, no, I got to look good. So try picking up running again. And that probably lasted only about a month. And it’s been a lot of kind of false starts since then. wasn’t really until 2017 when my partner had signed up for a couple of races, and I thought, Oh, you know, new relationship. It might be something kind of cute to do and good to do as a couple. And so really, I have only been a kind of like a serious runner since 2017. But a similar story, which I’m sure a lot of people can relate to. It’s been very on and off since I was a child.

Richard Conner 3:26

Yeah, definitely. I have a very similar story. I started running actually in high school. And similar, stopped running after high school life kind of got in the way and then only ran really as part of my workouts not so much and then kind of picked it back up just just a few years ago. So definitely can relate to that.

David Hampson 3:44

Definitely. Yeah.

Richard Conner 3:46

So what was one of the biggest struggles you had with running you mentioned it was a love hate relationship. And and how did you overcome it?

David Hampson 3:55

Running is a very mental thing I find, I think depending on what kind of mood I was in, it was either a, my you know, my gosh, this is this is boring, you know, probably cuz I didn’t have headphones. I wasn’t running to music. I was just running and, you know, after about a mile, you kind of like, yeah, I’m kind of over this. And like, so to me, it was a bit of a solitary thing, which I thought, you know, I grew up playing team sports. So I think having that, like, for me, individual sports just didn’t seem to appeal to me. And then I think as time went on, and I realized, you know, there’s more to it in running its, I think growing up in that competitive environment in especially in basketball. It was always a case of well, I could do this when I was younger, and I usually finds a lot of people even talking in online forums that we all try to be who we were like, fitness wise, at least back in high school. It was. It was when I was at my fastest it was probably

when I was at my strongest and, and then when I started running again, it would be a case of I’ve seen the slow times, or what I deemed to be slow. That was my only metric for improving, it would be a case of, I’d run a 13 minute mile. And then if I got a 13 minute and one second, it was like, I’m going in the wrong, wrong direction, or, you know, if I got a 12:50 mile, after six weeks of running, it’s like, I’m not progressing quick enough.

Because I think we kind of make the mistake of we have people that we put on this pedestal that, you know, they’ve elevated, they’ve been successful in a sport, and they’ve done it in such a quick amount of time that we go, I want that. And then when you don’t have that, the success is, as quickly, then a lot of people, myself included, was like, I’m not improving, I’m not enjoying this. It was that mental block of using time as my only metric, or you got to run a five K, and had to stop after one kilometer in to walk it walk off a cramp or stitch or that I was just exhausted. So it was very, there was a lot of beating myself up about it. And it wasn’t until I was doing running clinics that somebody said,

You know, I was talking about time, I was complaining that I wasn’t improving. And he said, but how many times did you stop and say, I only stopped twice. Okay, and then you went out for a run, oh, I only stopped once and you kind of see those little gains and like time didn’t matter. I was able to run further, I was able to run a little faster. But then you start seeing those little things that you know, I don’t feel winded, I don’t feel like death after a 10k run or after doing hills. I’m still standing tall. It’s like, actually, okay, I am improving. It’s, you know, it’s something that I’m, you know, I’m feeling rather than a metric that I can see like a time or distance. And I think having that switch helped me overcome that. And that’s something I try to, you know, I try try to tell people that again, I’m having the same thing. Oh, I had to walk. It’s like, okay, you have to walk. No active recovery. You know, it’s, but you still completed it? Yes. Okay, great. No, that’s, that’s the main thing. Did you enjoy it? Yes. There you go. You know, it’s not, it’s not about times of fit, you know, and I think I think the common phrase I’ve heard around is finish lines, not finished times. So it’s that that mindset, definitely, I guess, kept me going with running.

Richard Conner 7:46

Wow, that’s, that’s great. And that sage advice for for the Inspire Virtual Runs community, especially for those who are just getting started with, with running. I’m sure that they’re using time as a metric. But it is this that’s great to look for other ways to show improvement and be happy with with your progress. I think it’s very similar to to maybe other aspects of fitness and health, right? Maybe we just only ever our weight, right? If we lost one pound or two pounds, and we were progressing, but if we didn’t lose any, it’s not obvious that we’re progressing. But maybe we did right and other ways. So

David Hampson 8:23

Exactly, yeah.

Richard Conner 8:25

So tell us more about Brooks Canada Run Happy Team.

David Hampson 8:31

Sure

Richard Conner 8:32 Is it so you got started in 2017? You said with your with your partner started running? And it sounds like it just kind of accelerated from there. And now now you’re on this team? So tell us tell us more about that.

David Hampson 8:43

Yeah, no, definitely. I think it started off, you know, let’s get running and build it up. And then I think I did what any aspiring person who has a smartphone is I’m going to start a fitness account. And so I started an Instagram account where it was, you know, separate from a personal one. And I’m quite sure that if I just posted my runs every day that I’d get normal people on my personal ones just going “Yep, I’m gonna have to unfollow him because all I see is runs”. So I created so I created a specific running accounts. So you know, David Runs World one. But again, with the intention of accountability. And my trade to tie it in with a couple of charities that are important to me is, as you mentioned, in the bio, I am, you know, I’m an advocate for mental health. And it’s running is definitely a huge component of making sure I’m on top of my own mental health, and it was 2009. I lost my grandfather to Alzheimer’s disease, and I’ve always wanted to do something for that organization who were very hands on helping

My mom and her family and you know, in terms of like, you know, helping him move to assisted living and like, what it’s going to be like living with the disease and so on. And it was just something I wanted to tie in, it’s that, you know, okay, I’m going to set myself a challenge, which was I’m going to run 1000 kilometers in 2019. And to help keep me accountable, I’m going to raise funds for the Alzheimer’s Society back in the UK.

And then I just happened to come across another challenge, more locally in Canada called Team Unbreakable and they had their their own thousand kilometers in a year challenge and raise 1000 bucks. And so I thought, well, you know, why not? I can have people, friends and family back home support me for my Alzheimer’s one, and I can have people locally in Canada can support me for, Team uUbreakable. And I guess that kind of started doing that. I think anybody who starts a fitness page and gets really into it, you start following accounts that are really inspiring. And then you find that the sponsored by people. So it’s like, you see your Nike athletes, you see Asics front runners, and I was running at a pair of Brooks, Ghost 10 shoes. At the time, I think it was a case of you know, I just kept following them on Instagram, liking their posts, getting excited for their updates on new shoes. So it’s like the Ghost 11 were coming out. In October, they had a camp, they had a contest, and ended up winning a pair of Ghost 12 shoes. So that and that was a that was an that was a fun story in itself. That’s a, that’s a whole another our conversation on how that came about. I think that just kind of like I just kept the momentum going. I just finished a half marathon race. And at the end of 2019, it was they opened up applications for the ambassador program, which is their Run Happy team that just happened to apply. You know, here’s, here’s my schpeel this is what I do, kind of thing as you do. And now I was fortunate enough to join a host of other runners across Canada as part of their Canadian team. Yeah, we, you know, we tried to promote the kind of kind of like the Run Happy, the Run Happy mentality, you know, running is good. You know, you always have that runner’s high, you know, if you haven’t a good day, celebrate with a run, if you having a bad day, make it better with a run, you know, doesn’t matter how slow how short the run is, you know, you still gonna get that runner’s high at the end, you know, I’m kind of fortunate to share that opportunity with, with the whole team across Canada. And, you know, we were able to get together with the US team and unfortunately, due to COVID we had to do it virtually but we pretty much went away for camp where, you know, there’s a couple of talks, you know, new shoes are coming out so as new talking points, you know, we can we can talk to our own audiences about you know, hey, we’ve got new shoes, these are what the new shoes do, but then we can also learn from the people that we look up to so you have like Brooks athlete, as Linden net, she had a, you know, a little segment as part of the camp as well as some other athletes. So it was it was it was kind of a good get together. Yeah, so it’s a good opportunity to, you know, where the brand represent the brand and unfortunately, not being able to do any actual races, but you know, we’re still able to running isn’t canceled, so we can still go out for a run we can still wear gear and you know, it’s a nice little pair of tie dye colored lorincz seven shoes, so there you definitely you can definitely spot them a mile off. I’ve had a few had a few funny comments about those ones because they are so bright compared to some other shoes. So it’s Yeah, they have fun shoes, you know, they they last a long time. Like I’m just retiring my Ghost twelves after 500 miles Yeah, they still got some life in them but I just upgraded to the Ghost 13 so it’s now I have to happily retire them to regular going out shoes.

Richard Conner 14:15

Do that is that is that typical? So I normally replace my shoes once a year. But I know I know a number of folks will replace their shoes after a certain number of miles is that is that typical?

David Hampson 14:27

Usually you hear like golden rules or like you know I have to five 600 kilometers or five 600 miles. You can you should replace your shoes. Now depending on how often you run. That could be three months. That could be two years. I think it took me about 18 months to replace my ghost 10s as I would ramp as I was kind of building up my mileage but then like my ghost twelves have fortunately lasted 12 months but that’s because I happen to rotate between four different pairs of shoes and that’s kind of another way

Get some extra life out of your shoes is just rotate. And if you happen to run 4,5,6,7 days a week, you know your shoes do need time to breathe, to fit their soles to kind of bounce back. So if you’re able to have two, three pairs of shoes that you can kind of rotate between, you know, you kind of happen, your shoes tend to last a little bit longer. So I’ve been fortunate enough that, you know, I don’t only have to replace my shoes, maybe like once a year.

Richard Conner 15:26

Okay. That’s great. Well, great, great story about the Brooks and I love the work that you’re doing with the charities around mental health and Alzheimer’s. Thank you for sharing that story with us. And that that’s awesome that you’re doing that. Great stories around running. And I know you also write in general, but specifically about running. So let’s talk about that for a moment. Where do you get your ideas and topics to write about? Is it based on your own experiences? Or what kind of inspires you there?

David Hampson 15:58

I think it’s a bit of both. It’s I think, initially it was to set up as accountability is ongoing is how much how many kilometers or miles I’ve ran. And here’s how much we’ve raised as a community to x or y charity and I share them I you know, I’d share it online. And then Runner’s Life on Medium. They’re a publication they said, Hey, you know, we like what you write, would you like to contribute as a writer? So I was like, Sure, why not? You know, if there’s more people that can see my story, perfect. And I’ll share online, there’s, there’s a few running groups that I’m involved in, one of them being Outrun the Dark, which is another, which is another apparel brands, where proceeds go towards mental health initiatives. They’re a group of 4000 members, runners from all around the world. And typically, what you see in groups are a lot of people ask questions, and a lot of people ask the same questions. So in terms of where my ideas come from, for my next article, it’s, I guess, it’s trying to answer questions that a lot of people ask, you know, it’s what are people’s opinions on shoes? What are you know, what our favorite distances are? How do we recover from injury, the benefits of different types of running, because one of the things I definitely felt as a runner or starting out as running is, there’s one workout, you lace up, run, you stop. That’s it. But as you develop as a runner, in some of the more serious ones, and professionals, they have speed work, they do tempo runs, they do long, slow runs, they do Hill repeats, and there’s all these different workouts that you can do to not only kind of beat the boredom, of just lacing up and going out for a long run, you can you can mix up the speeds, you can play with your tempos, you can run up hills and downhill and, you know, everything in between. And I think it’s more like, okay, here is kind of the claim. Here are my experiences from it. Did I die from it? No. Do they feel amazing? No. But you know, it’s after, after about a month two of doing it, you see the benefits thing? It’s more of a case of those people that are asking how can I improve my time, or here’s my run, it’s slow, I had to walk. And it’s like, well, you don’t want this a perfectly good way of running. And it’s called the Galway method, or the run walk method, or for some reason known in the UK as jeffing. But essentially, it’s you know, you run for a bit, then you walk for a bit as an active recovery, then you run a more than walk, run. And it’s usually in sets of 10 minutes of running one minute of walking 10 minutes of running on that walking and those little breaks in between kind of help you recover quicker. And as a benefit, you run further and studies have shown that some people actually recall a quick A times in the half marathon and marathon distances if you break it up like that. So my my writing kind of, you know, touches on these little points and hopefully, kind of helps people who are into running, who may have those types of questions or may have those types of concerns can come across this post, you know, my posts and say, oh, okay, no, it’s okay to walk or, oh, you know, I want to improve my, my speed, oh, maybe I should try these little workouts or it’s not just about running it’s you have strength training to do so. Here’s things you can do at the gym is things you can do at home, here’s things you can incorporate into your warmup and cooldown so it’s all in one activity instead of you know, oh, I have to do an hour, an hour at the gym. I have to do an hour here swimming. I have to cycle here. It’s, you know, trying to get something for everybody. And I think that’s kind of where the writing is now going towards. So it’s like every now and again, kind of here’s how I’m doing here’s my own personal experiences and then others are is, here’s some questions from the internet. Let me answer those questions.

Richard Conner 20:14

I love the way you’re gathering your topics. And I love the fact that you’re helping other runners, right? This is based on your research based on your own experience. Because when someone gets started and running, I’m sure they don’t have really a lot of knowledge on on tips and tricks and what’s you know, what’s Okay, and so that’s, that’s, that’s great that you’re doing that. And, and as you’re, you’re telling your story, I’m thinking about a question that actually just came up this week on the Inspire Virtual Runs Facebook group, and it was about continuing to run in the cold. So you know, we’re in the northeast, right? And we’re approaching winter months, and it’s not really a pleasant time

to be outdoors. So unless you’re skiing or something like that. So what would you tell someone in this case?

David Hampson 21:03

I think it’s more of a case of I forget, there’s a comedian back in the UK, I think is Billy Connolly. He said it. And he was basically just said, you know, there’s no such thing as terrible weather, it’s just terrible clothing. And essentially, you can run in winter and running in winter is actually quite fun. You just have to prepare for the winter. So it’s instead of what I like to do, which is you know, I’ve got a T shirt and I’ve got some shorts, my baseball cap, and off I go, it’s in the wintertime, it’s okay, great, I’ve got to have, you know, I’ve got pants, I’ve got to make sure that they’re windbreaker proof. And you know, I’m wearing maybe two jackets, one that if I do start to overheat, I can take off, but I’m still sufficiently protected, you do have to pay attention to the weather. But, you know, ultimately, like, if you don’t want to, and you have access to a treadmill, that is so much easier. Personally, I I can’t stand the treadmill, I make that very known on social media that, you know, I refer to as the dread mill. And, you know, so I will suck it up. And you know, I will wear two, three layers, and I’ll go out running thing I can I have the the 10 degree rule in mind, where you know, you dress as if it’s 10 degrees warmer. So I think the one saving grace in wintertime, like mean, you, you’ve definitely experienced this, but we have a negative 30s negative 40 winters, we will still dress up and go out there, it’s, but we dress as if it’s minus 20 or minus 30, instead of minus 30, and 40. Because as we’re running, we generate heat. And because of all those layers, we are retaining that heat, it is a case of you know, oh, if you’re too hot, you can at least take layer off it but you’re still sufficiently covered. And then if you once you’ve cooled down and you’re starting to get a little chilly, you can just put that windbreaker back on. Yeah, I would say you know, give it a try. I never thought in my wildest dreams that I would be running through winter, I would not be running through six to eight inches of snow, or in actually this past December, we usually have one last race of the year. It’s the the Tannenbaum 10K down in the beaches area in Toronto, and it’s the first Sunday in December, and up until five minutes before the start of the race. We weren’t sure if the race was happening. It was high winds, it was snowing Anyway, you know what, screw it, we’re gonna, we’re gonna start the race. And if you want to turn back partway through, you can turn around and whatnot. Just be safe out there. As we started, an ice storm developed, I think it was worth about 1000 of us, we started out on our way. And then as soon as we cleared the trees, it was it was a hailstorm. And it just felt like it just felt like 1000 little bee stings on your face and you literally you’re seeing people and I know this is an audio but if you could see it’s like you know people covering the side of the face that the hail is coming from or that literally like you know, they pull the scarfs up and they’re gators up to their eyes and their caps down to their eyes. So it’s literally have like literally like a mailbox slip just like running and getting through and it was a it was a painful experience. But the majority of us went through we you know, we we got through it. It was an experience. So for those who were kind of questioning, you know, I don’t want to run in the cold. Try it out. I would definitely try to start on a not so windy day. Because that wind chill is brutal. It’s usually find the, you know, you can run in minus 20. But if there’s no wind, there’s no

problem whatsovever. Its just may have to adjust your breathing so your not taking in those deep cold breaths. Try it out. Run around the block. If it is a couple of hundred meters or a couple of hundred yards, just do that just try it out. I say try things three times. Like the first time your body is like whoa, whats going on, what are you doing? The second time its ok this isnt as bad as the first experience and not that kind of shock. The third time your kind of like thats the deciding factor whether running outside in the winter will happen or not. As long as you take it slow on the roads on the trails on the snow, your running stores will have trail shoes or shoes that will have artic grip that kind of what car tires have so have some kind of grip on there or yak tracks that I believe they are called but you can get spikes. Kind of like the track star atheletes that you see in the summer olympics you can have spikes on your shoes to give you that extra bit of traction. There are people out there and ask questions how can we do this. Its defintely easier to get out there if you are part of a group. So if there is a running clinic, that is actually the first thing that I did in 2018, my partner and I signed up for a 10K running clinic that started at the end of January. The first night out it was 6 inches of snow, minues 20. 16 of us started out and half of us slipped and fell.

You can definetly find a running community and they all run all year round, you know, come from rain or shine. So it’s, I think the they may be on hold you to COVID. But I think there’s talk of them resuming those Saturday morning runs. So it’s a, that’ll be a, that’ll be a good thing if like said if you’re looking for a group, and it’s free. So you know, you turn up, you run a 5K, you get a time, you get a position, per se, but it’s not a race, because they focus more on the community aspects of it, everybody, they’re doing it volunteers, and you know, everybody cheers everybody over the line. And, you know, you you kind of go for a coffee afterwards. And I think that that’s kind of where I learned most of my stuff that I write about is going for these coffees after a run and just asking questions. Like, you know, how did you get through winter? Or I’m thinking of doing my first half marathon? What was it like stepping up from 10 K to a half marathon, and so on. A bit of a tangent, but it’s, you know, probably my best advice for getting through winter training.

Richard Conner 29:05 Alright, perfect. And I, I have a little bit of a confession to make to you and to the Inspire Virtual Runs community. I don’t run in the winter. This is, you know, you talked about the dreadmill while the dreadmill was my best friend for for many years. So you know, this is probably going to be one of the one of the winters where I’m going to I’m going to try to stick through it and try to get through it. I’ll take your advice and see how it goes. But just thinking back to high school, cross country ended write about November timeframe, right about when the time was getting cold and then track season started up right when it started to get warmer and in between. Hmm, not so much so. So this would be kind of one of my first times running through winter.

David Hampson 29:47

Yeah, and I think keeping like accountability in the group. You know, it’s something I find in especially in these running groups online is you know, you post run in in the wintertime. Hey, I just knocked out 5K, or I just knocked out three miles or, you know, I’m Iran and it’s minus 20. And my eyebrows have completely frozen over, you definitely, definitely see the ones from like, Saskatchewan and like the middle of, you know, you see the people that come out, they’ve gone out for a long run, and they literally look like Old Man Winter. It’s, you know, oh, it’s cold for you as well, let’s do this together kind of thing and you kind of throw a couple of high fives, you feel good about it. And you’re like, you know what? Let’s do it again. So, you know, definitely, the power of accountability partners, accountability groups will will also help so you won’t be running alone. But you kind of like run as part of a team and spirit, you could say.

Richard Conner 30:50

Okay, so Well, we’ll see. We’ll see how it goes. So David, you know, we have a good mix of new runners and experienced runners in the community. And I know you write a bit about to help new runners along. So you know, kind of as we as we wind down here, what would be, I guess, like the one piece of advice that you would give to a new runner, as they get started?

David Hampson 31:13

I would say, don’t ask general questions. And I mean that like in like, don’t ask what’s the best shoe for a beginner, what’s the what are the best clothes for this? What is the best sports watch all Activity Tracker, and running is a very individual experience for everybody, you know, my running will be completely different to yours. It’s very, it’s a very trial and error. You know, look, you’ll learn things as you learn things as you do. It’s a very hands on learning experience, you can ask for some kind of guidance. But don’t take kind of what I say as gospel, it’s, this is my experience, this is what has worked or what hasn’t worked for me, and it may work for you. But that would be kind of the main thing as you learn to run. And as you learn to, you know, all the skills to get you from the start line to the finish line and training through winter or summer and whatnot. But then I would say the most important thing is to drop all expectations of yourself, how you were in high school, was how you are in high how you were in high school, it’s not you now. So go out with an open mind, if you have to walk, walk, you know, it doesn’t matter how far you go, how slow you go, you know, you are running, you are a runner. And if you see arounds online is like there’s there’s no membership. For this, there’s, you know, you don’t have to be of a certain quality of a certain standard. You want to do this to better yourself, you know, think of those reasons why you’re starting running, it’s most likely not to get a sub 20 minute, 5K, it’s not to get a sub two hour, half marathon, it’s you’re usually starting to run because you want to do something healthy, you want to do something good for yourself. And in times where you think you’re not progressing. Always resolve back to why. Why are you doing this? For me, it was I just moved back to Canada, I stay put on a bit of weight, and I wasn’t as active as much. I was working a lot. So I was sitting at a desk. For me it was a you know, this will be a healthy thing to do. And I think my motivation to actually start it or what made me do it was being in a new relationship with my partner. And it was something that I thought great, we can do this together and kind of keep each other accountable. You know, always remember why you’re doing it. And it’s usually not for the reasons that you’re beating yourself up about. Keep an open mind. Doesn’t matter how far how slow you go, just run. And if your body tells you No, listen, because if you don’t listen, your body will force you to stop running.

I think that’s a few different. A few different pieces of advice fair, new runners. Richard Conner 34:22

That’s great. Thank you so much, David, this has been awesome. You’ve given us so much great advice. And I love hearing about your story, your journey as as a runner and as a writer and again, support for the charities and the causes that you believe in just just awesome story. So how can the Inspire Virtual Runs community follow you and find your articles and just kind of learn more about you?

David Hampson 34:47

Yeah, definitely. So I am on social media. You can find me at David Runs world. I’m on Instagram On Facebook. I’m usually posting online in the different run groups, my articles I’ve put, I’ve posted one blog post on your website. So they can always go to your website and they may find something there. Otherwise, most of my work goes up on Medium. So you go to medium.com and you can search for David Hampson or the Runner’s Life publication. You’ll usually see kind of my posts on there, but along with 10s of other runners who writes about their own experiences, race reviews, so we kind of have a bit of a writer’s community offline, where we kind of share ideas, and they help each other write posts and whatnot. So it’s, those are probably the best places where you can find me.

Richard Conner 35:49

All right, perfect. And what we’ll do is we’ll capture all of this, and we’ll put it in the show notes to make it easier for our listeners to find you online.

David Hampson 35:57

Sounds good.

Richard Conner 35:59

All right. Well, thank you again, David. Again, this has been great. love talking to you. And thanks again.

David Hampson 36:05

Thank you very much.

Intro/Outro 36:09

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